pda/cell phone thread

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:12 pm

Jason wrote:http://www.dpreview.com/news/0308/03080 ... gbship.asp 4Gb in the palm of your hand

let me know when it's implemented in efs3/xfs/ntfs

speaking of palm, any of you have suggestion for PDA? I keep forgetting about stuff i need to do ...

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:07 pm

Peijen wrote:
Jason wrote:http://www.dpreview.com/news/0308/03080 ... gbship.asp 4Gb in the palm of your hand
let me know when it's implemented in efs3/xfs/ntfs

speaking of palm, any of you have suggestion for PDA? I keep forgetting about stuff i need to do ...

Get a cool cell phone thingy instead. Jonathan you have one of those right?

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:13 pm

Alan wrote:Get a cool cell phone thingy instead. Jonathan you have one of those right?

I thought about that, but I don't really need a cell phone, yet. Also why don't they sell some of the cell phones they have in asia? they are so much cooler.

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:27 pm

Peijen wrote:
Alan wrote:Get a cool cell phone thingy instead. Jonathan you have one of those right?
I thought about that, but I don't really need a cell phone, yet. Also why don't they sell some of the cell phones they have in asia? they are so much cooler.

yes. see article about my Hiptop. for t-mobile, you can use any ole random GSM device with a t-mobile SIM card, so long as it supports the right band of frequencies. so buy a cool asian one and use it here. only problem is you don't get any of the nice rebates that t-mobile provides. but you gots the azn conextion, right?

also, get a wireless pda, even if it isn't a phone. wireless is cool. 802.11 is cool. GPRS is cool. 802.11 plus GPRS is cooler, but good luck finding a device that'll do that. you could probably get one that lets you swap out CF cards to switch between networks. that's lame, but doable.

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:38 pm

Dwindlehop wrote: yes. see article about my Hiptop. for t-mobile, you can use any ole random GSM device with a t-mobile SIM card, so long as it supports the right band of frequencies. so buy a cool asian one and use it here. only problem is you don't get any of the nice rebates that t-mobile provides. but you gots the azn conextion, right?

also, get a wireless pda, even if it isn't a phone. wireless is cool. 802.11 is cool. GPRS is cool. 802.11 plus GPRS is cooler, but good luck finding a device that'll do that. you could probably get one that lets you swap out CF cards to switch between networks. that's lame, but doable.

I will look into the t-mobile thing. As for wireless pda, how useful would it be if I don't have wireless LAN setup? It would be nice if I don't have to plus it into my computer to sync data though ...

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:04 pm

802.11 without WLAN is less-than-useful, unless you want to pay for a service provider out in the world. GPRS is cellular, of course, and doesn't need a WLAN at all.

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:08 pm

Dwindlehop wrote:802.11 without WLAN is less-than-useful, unless you want to pay for a service provider out in the world. GPRS is cellular, of course, and doesn't need a WLAN at all.

so how do you sync data with your computer (GPRS)? also you have to pay $0.20 per minute for internet plan?

quantus · Post by **quantus** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:09 pm

Everyone should just have a WLAN since it's cheap enough at this point.

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:16 pm

how is text message different from AIM message?

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:34 pm

Peijen wrote:
Dwindlehop wrote:802.11 without WLAN is less-than-useful, unless you want to pay for a service provider out in the world. GPRS is cellular, of course, and doesn't need a WLAN at all.
so how do you sync data with your computer (GPRS)? also you have to pay $0.20 per minute for internet plan?

well, USB, generally. Possibly some form of web page (My T-Mobile, for instance) or email, but broadly speaking, USB.

you'd be a fool to pay per minute for data. Some older networks are still circuit-switched only and so charge you per minute. But any real network is packet-switched and either charges per megabyte or has a flat fee.

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:44 pm

Dwindlehop wrote:
Peijen wrote:
Dwindlehop wrote:802.11 without WLAN is less-than-useful, unless you want to pay for a service provider out in the world. GPRS is cellular, of course, and doesn't need a WLAN at all.
so how do you sync data with your computer (GPRS)? also you have to pay $0.20 per minute for internet plan?
well, USB, generally. Possibly some form of web page (My T-Mobile, for instance) or email, but broadly speaking, USB.

you'd be a fool to pay per minute for data. Some older networks are still circuit-switched only and so charge you per minute. But any real network is packet-switched and either charges per megabyte or has a flat fee.

oops, i mean to make a phone call. the t-mobile internet plan says you have to pay $0.20/minutes for phone call.

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:55 pm

uh, one presumes that's the cost after you use up all your minutes?

if you have an internet-only plan, then i would expect to see per-minute fees for voice. try getting some combo action in there.

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:57 pm

Peijen wrote:how is text message different from AIM message?

SMS is a standard used by pretty much all cell phones at this point, internet-enabled or not. AIM messages require a data connection and may incur additional fees. On my Nokia 3360, for instance, I got charged $0.10 for every AIM message since I had no data plan. Amber got mad after I used my phone on the train for AIM. On my Hiptop, I have flat fee data so I can use AIM as much as I want.

It depends on who you want to talk to: SMS: cell phone users. AIM: people on AIM.

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:00 pm

I'd strongly advise you to get one that syncs with your work's scheduler (Outlook, etc.) because you want to remember things.

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:02 pm

Dwindlehop wrote:uh, one presumes that's the cost after you use up all your minutes?

if you have an internet-only plan, then i would expect to see per-minute fees for voice. try getting some combo action in there.

Ok, yeah I guess that's my question, I don't recall seeing plan with unlimited data transfer/some amount of minutes.

iPAQ H5555 Pocket PC looks pretty cool though, only if I had $600 to waste.

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:04 pm

Peijen wrote:
Jason wrote:http://www.dpreview.com/news/0308/03080 ... gbship.asp 4Gb in the palm of your hand
let me know when it's implemented in efs3/xfs/ntfs

speaking of palm, any of you have suggestion for PDA? I keep forgetting about stuff i need to do ...

The new Tungsten looks like it's priced to move. I haven't read any reviews of it.

Consider what you want out of a PDA. Just sync with Outlook? Get a m105 and buy yourself one a them Russian girls. Read email? Tungsten, or something in a Blackberry. Add web surfing too? PocketPC, probably. Hiptop doesn't sync with Outlook.

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:05 pm

what i got is $20/mo. for unlimited data on top of whatever my voice plan is (amber and I have a joint voice plan).

Peijen · Post by **Peijen** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:54 pm

Yeah, I will look at PocketPC. I probably won't buy it ...

Post by **Jonathan** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:59 pm

Peijen wrote:Yeah, I will look at PocketPC. I probably won't buy it ...

$600 is a jackload. I got the Hiptop for $200, which is just about right.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:32 am

Dwindlehop wrote:
Peijen wrote:how is text message different from AIM message?
SMS is a standard used by pretty much all cell phones at this point, internet-enabled or not. AIM messages require a data connection and may incur additional fees. On my Nokia 3360, for instance, I got charged $0.10 for every AIM message since I had no data plan. Amber got mad after I used my phone on the train for AIM. On my Hiptop, I have flat fee data so I can use AIM as much as I want.

It depends on who you want to talk to: SMS: cell phone users. AIM: people on AIM.

Speaking of SMS. One of my friends down here works for the company that routes all intercarrier sms messaging. Pretty cool since he can read any of the messages going through the system. Most go too fast, but if you have a rule already existing in the system you can have it bring it up.