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I switched over to an Econ version of BU.

6 ways to gain initiative along with Vestures, Horns, and ...And One For Me make for a phenomenally strong late game.

At Any Cost might be a little too strong for the mana cost. It should probably be a 4 cost card. 3 cost means it can't be delayed by Censors on turn two which has been a pretty big deal in a few of my games so far.
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I'm back from my parents' house. Fight me!

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At the start of each season, every player starts at Skill Rating 1. Over the season, every victory against an opponent with a higher Skill Rating will raise your own.
I don't get it. If everyone is SR 1, then how does the first player achieve SR 2?

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Just lost to mono black econ hero killer (PA, BH, Sniper, Necrophos, Bloodseeker) because of misplays. I didn't hold onto my Corrosive for the Vesture, and I gave away initiative and lost my tree (testing tree instead of drow) without playing my Unearthed Secrets. I had the game won with an extra direct damage card top deck.

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Alan 0wnzorfed me. I lost when I deployed into the Chain Frost.

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Yeah I think blinking that extra hero there (who was it, Tinker?) really hurt. Chain Frost was already strong in that situation and the blink made it back breaking.

I like Ogre Magi over Sorla for BU aggro. Not sure if there is an even better choice but OM seems pretty useful overall. OM survives a turn vs Axe and lives against At Any Cost. Ignite helps control lanes and being able to Annihilate is really nice. I kind of wonder if Annihilate should be a 3 of and/of if At Any Cost should also be in there. I don’t think splashing Kanna as a single U works well enough. All you can really play when you do that is DP and maybe Conflagrate, and I don’t think those cards justify splashing. Plus, if you are splashing Kanna I think you have to play Sorla, and Sorla is very vulnerable.

I think the main hero decision I have is BH vs PA. I find that I too often have cards I don’t want to discard and am loathe to actually use Coup. Being able to roll up to 11 tower damage is a decent compensation for not having Sorla. Track is not the greatest but when I can get an early kill (like against you in the second game) it is really nice. I think my matchup against R decks is probably weak though.
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Jonathan wrote:
At the start of each season, every player starts at Skill Rating 1. Over the season, every victory against an opponent with a higher Skill Rating will raise your own.
I don't get it. If everyone is SR 1, then how does the first player achieve SR 2?
I think it also considers hidden MMR.
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Here's a script some guy wrote that uses the Steam data to help you keep track of your matches. Here's my history. I guess it includes bot matches in the Freeplay section.

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-------------------------- Freeplay / Tournament --------------------------
Games Played: 7
Win rate: 71.429%
--- Top heroes played ---
6 - Bounty Hunter
6 - Kanna
5 - Lich
5 - Tinker
4 - Ogre Magi
3 - Phantom Assassin
2 - Sorla Khan
2 - Sniper
1 - Treant Protector
1 - Drow Ranger
--- Top heroes win rate ---
100.0% - Sorla Khan (games played: 2 )
100.0% - Sniper (games played: 2 )
83.3% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 6 )
83.3% - Kanna (games played: 6 )
75.0% - Ogre Magi (games played: 4 )
66.7% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 3 )
60.0% - Lich (games played: 5 )
60.0% - Tinker (games played: 5 )
0.0% - Treant Protector (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Drow Ranger (games played: 1 )
--- Condensed match history ---
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Lich, Ogre Magi, Kanna, Tinker
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Lich, Ogre Magi, Kanna, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Lich, Ogre Magi, Kanna, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Lich, Ogre Magi, Kanna, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Kanna, Sniper
loss ---- Lich, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Kanna, Sniper
-------------------------- Prize Phantom Draft --------------------------
Games Played: 6
Win rate: 83.333%
--- Top heroes played ---
6 - Farvhan the Dreamer
6 - J'Muy the Wise
6 - Omniknight
6 - Drow Ranger
6 - Prellex
--- Top heroes win rate ---
83.3% - Farvhan the Dreamer (games played: 6 )
83.3% - J'Muy the Wise (games played: 6 )
83.3% - Omniknight (games played: 6 )
83.3% - Drow Ranger (games played: 6 )
83.3% - Prellex (games played: 6 )
--- Condensed match history ---
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise, Omniknight, Drow Ranger, Prellex
loss ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise, Omniknight, Drow Ranger, Prellex
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise, Omniknight, Drow Ranger, Prellex
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise, Omniknight, Drow Ranger, Prellex
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise, Omniknight, Drow Ranger, Prellex
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise, Omniknight, Drow Ranger, Prellex
-------------------------- Standard Constructed --------------------------
Games Played: 7
Win rate: 85.714%
--- Top heroes played ---
7 - Phantom Assassin
6 - Bounty Hunter
5 - Luna
5 - Lich
5 - Skywrath Mage
2 - Sorla Khan
2 - Kanna
1 - Ogre Magi
1 - Tinker
1 - Sniper
--- Top heroes win rate ---
100.0% - Luna (games played: 5 )
100.0% - Lich (games played: 5 )
100.0% - Skywrath Mage (games played: 5 )
100.0% - Ogre Magi (games played: 1 )
100.0% - Tinker (games played: 1 )
85.7% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 7 )
83.3% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 6 )
50.0% - Sorla Khan (games played: 2 )
50.0% - Kanna (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Sniper (games played: 1 )
--- Condensed match history ---
win ---- Luna, Bounty Hunter, Lich, Phantom Assassin, Skywrath Mage
win ---- Luna, Bounty Hunter, Lich, Phantom Assassin, Skywrath Mage
win ---- Luna, Bounty Hunter, Lich, Phantom Assassin, Skywrath Mage
win ---- Luna, Bounty Hunter, Lich, Phantom Assassin, Skywrath Mage
win ---- Luna, Bounty Hunter, Lich, Phantom Assassin, Skywrath Mage
win ---- Ogre Magi, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Kanna, Tinker
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Kanna, Sniper
-------------------------- Standard Phantom Draft --------------------------
Games Played: 15
Win rate: 60.000%
--- Top heroes played ---
12 - Luna
11 - Farvhan the Dreamer
8 - Debbi the Cunning
6 - Lycan
6 - Viper
5 - Bounty Hunter
5 - Phantom Assassin
5 - Treant Protector
5 - J'Muy the Wise
4 - Keefe the Bold
4 - Beastmaster
4 - Dark Seer
--- Top heroes win rate ---
66.7% - Luna (games played: 12 )
66.7% - Lycan (games played: 6 )
66.7% - Viper (games played: 6 )
63.6% - Farvhan the Dreamer (games played: 11 )
60.0% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 5 )
60.0% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 5 )
60.0% - Treant Protector (games played: 5 )
60.0% - J'Muy the Wise (games played: 5 )
50.0% - Keefe the Bold (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Debbi the Cunning (games played: 8 )
50.0% - Beastmaster (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Dark Seer (games played: 4 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Farvhan the Dreamer, J'Muy the Wise
loss ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Luna, Lycan, Luna, Viper
loss ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Luna, Lycan, Luna, Viper
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Luna, Lycan, Luna, Viper
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Luna, Lycan, Luna, Viper
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Luna, Lycan, Luna, Viper
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Luna, Lycan, Luna, Viper
loss ---- Keefe the Bold, Debbi the Cunning, Beastmaster, Dark Seer, Debbi the Cunning
loss ---- Keefe the Bold, Debbi the Cunning, Beastmaster, Dark Seer, Debbi the Cunning
win ---- Keefe the Bold, Debbi the Cunning, Beastmaster, Dark Seer, Debbi the Cunning
win ---- Keefe the Bold, Debbi the Cunning, Beastmaster, Dark Seer, Debbi the Cunning
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Thinking about our last game I think that you had Ganked from right lane with Spirit on my Lich in left lane in the turn before you had a chance to 80 the tower. That brought Spirit down to 1 health and it died to a creep. I think both Spirit and Gank had more value to you than Lich had for me. I think I had Kanna and Tinker ready to deploy in the next turn.

If you had held Gank I probably would have put Kanna right to be a Gank-resistant hero that could Annihilate, but that would have meant I couldn't have been able to pressure left lane so much.
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Huh. I don't think I've played the bots except the tutorial. I decided I doubted the bot would pilot a blue deck well, which was what I am most interested in scrimming against.
I do the non-gauntlet standard matchmaking a lot just to experiment with lists without having to commit to one for a whole gauntlet.

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-------------------------- Freeplay / Tournament --------------------------
Games Played: 41
Win rate: 68.293%
--- Top heroes played ---
31 - Phantom Assassin
26 - Drow Ranger
25 - Sorla Khan
24 - Necrophos
23 - Tinker
14 - Storm Spirit
13 - Bounty Hunter
10 - Treant Protector
9 - Legion Commander
6 - Enchantress
5 - Omniknight
5 - Sniper
4 - Lycan
3 - Mazzie
3 - Chen
2 - Rix
1 - Lion
1 - Dark Seer
--- Top heroes win rate ---
100.0% - Mazzie (games played: 3 )
100.0% - Chen (games played: 3 )
100.0% - Dark Seer (games played: 1 )
88.9% - Legion Commander (games played: 9 )
80.0% - Omniknight (games played: 5 )
80.0% - Sniper (games played: 5 )
75.0% - Lycan (games played: 4 )
73.1% - Drow Ranger (games played: 26 )
70.0% - Treant Protector (games played: 10 )
69.2% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 13 )
67.7% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 31 )
66.7% - Enchantress (games played: 6 )
64.3% - Storm Spirit (games played: 14 )
64.0% - Sorla Khan (games played: 25 )
62.5% - Necrophos (games played: 24 )
60.9% - Tinker (games played: 23 )
0.0% - Lion (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Rix (games played: 2 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Sorla Khan, Legion Commander, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Omniknight, Phantom Assassin, Lycan, Lion
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Omniknight, Sniper
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Omniknight, Sniper
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Drow Ranger, Storm Spirit
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Drow Ranger, Storm Spirit
win ---- Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Storm Spirit, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Enchantress
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Enchantress
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Enchantress
loss ---- Rix, Drow Ranger, Necrophos, Sorla Khan, Tinker
loss ---- Rix, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Drow Ranger, Sniper
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Drow Ranger, Sniper
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Drow Ranger, Sniper
win ---- Mazzie, Treant Protector, Legion Commander, Enchantress, Chen
win ---- Mazzie, Treant Protector, Legion Commander, Enchantress, Chen
win ---- Lycan, Phantom Assassin, Dark Seer, Sorla Khan, Drow Ranger
win ---- Lycan, Phantom Assassin, Necrophos, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Lycan, Phantom Assassin, Necrophos, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Enchantress, Mazzie, Legion Commander, Treant Protector, Chen
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
-------------------------- Call To Arms --------------------------
Games Played: 12
Win rate: 75.000%
--- Top heroes played ---
12 - Lycan
12 - Dark Seer
8 - Treant Protector
8 - Drow Ranger
8 - Abaddon
4 - Bounty Hunter
4 - Rix
4 - Lich
--- Top heroes win rate ---
87.5% - Treant Protector (games played: 8 )
87.5% - Drow Ranger (games played: 8 )
87.5% - Abaddon (games played: 8 )
75.0% - Lycan (games played: 12 )
75.0% - Dark Seer (games played: 12 )
50.0% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Rix (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Lich (games played: 4 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
win ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
loss ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
loss ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
win ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
-------------------------- Standard Constructed --------------------------
Games Played: 16
Win rate: 37.500%
--- Top heroes played ---
13 - Sorla Khan
13 - Necrophos
13 - Tinker
10 - Phantom Assassin
8 - Treant Protector
8 - Drow Ranger
7 - Storm Spirit
2 - Bounty Hunter
2 - Omniknight
1 - Mazzie
1 - Legion Commander
1 - Enchantress
1 - Chen
--- Top heroes win rate ---
57.1% - Storm Spirit (games played: 7 )
46.2% - Sorla Khan (games played: 13 )
46.2% - Necrophos (games played: 13 )
46.2% - Tinker (games played: 13 )
37.5% - Treant Protector (games played: 8 )
30.0% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 10 )
25.0% - Drow Ranger (games played: 8 )
0.0% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Omniknight (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Mazzie (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Legion Commander (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Enchantress (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Chen (games played: 1 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
loss ---- Mazzie, Treant Protector, Legion Commander, Enchantress, Chen
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
-------------------------- Standard Phantom Draft --------------------------
Games Played: 6
Win rate: 33.333%
--- Top heroes played ---
4 - Phantom Assassin
4 - Treant Protector
4 - Prellex
4 - Debbi the Cunning
2 - Farvhan the Dreamer
2 - Crystal Maiden
2 - Lycan
2 - Bristleback
2 - Mazzie
2 - Beastmaster
2 - Chen
--- Top heroes win rate ---
50.0% - Farvhan the Dreamer (games played: 2 )
50.0% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Treant Protector (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Prellex (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Debbi the Cunning (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Crystal Maiden (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Lycan (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Bristleback (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Mazzie (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Beastmaster (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Chen (games played: 2 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Debbi the Cunning
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Debbi the Cunning
win ---- Debbi the Cunning, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Crystal Maiden
loss ---- Debbi the Cunning, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Crystal Maiden
loss ---- Lycan, Bristleback, Mazzie, Beastmaster, Chen
loss ---- Lycan, Bristleback, Mazzie, Beastmaster, Chen
Looks like the stats confirm what I was feeling: I have to play Storm Spirit in upkeep kill face lists. I think maybe I burn the ball lightning before I need it. The relentless doesn't get better than moving out of certain death turn 1, but it can be correct to hold onto a ball lightning until I have a heartstopper on so I can put the upkeep damage exactly where it needs to go.

Looks like LC is pretty good. I tried splashing LC but I'm sort of on the fence. Maybe I just need better red cards?
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJWwOq ... F0ZWdlcmll
Duel really gets to the heart of what I'm trying to do, as it provides early value and I can curve it out later, plus it denies enemy plays with initiative.

I put together two Lion lists, both of which suck. I really don't know if he can be playable.
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJe0IJ ... RyBtYW5hLQ__ : BG mana-
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJQAIZ ... kIgbWFuYS0_ : BR mana-
The one game I played (BG), I completely lacked proactive plays and didn't put up any kind of fight.

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Alan wrote:Thinking about our last game I think that you had Ganked from right lane with Spirit on my Lich in left lane in the turn before you had a chance to 80 the tower. That brought Spirit down to 1 health and it died to a creep. I think both Spirit and Gank had more value to you than Lich had for me. I think I had Kanna and Tinker ready to deploy in the next turn.

If you had held Gank I probably would have put Kanna right to be a Gank-resistant hero that could Annihilate, but that would have meant I couldn't have been able to pressure left lane so much.
That's interesting. I wish there were replays.
Edit: Apart from brainfarting on Chain Frost, usually I play out my hand too fast in a loss and don't have any tools when my opponent chases me down. Gank, ball lightning, pick off, etc. The other problem I'm trying to fix is my deck is designed to punch down, so I must bluff my opponents into deploying where I don't want to be. Sometimes I do that, but too often I telegraph. In a lane full of heroes I always look bad.

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Jonathan wrote: That's interesting. I wish there were replays.
Edit: Apart from brainfarting on Chain Frost, usually I play out my hand too fast in a loss and don't have any tools when my opponent chases me down. Gank, ball lightning, pick off, etc. The other problem I'm trying to fix is my deck is designed to punch down, so I must bluff my opponents into deploying where I don't want to be. Sometimes I do that, but too often I telegraph. In a lane full of heroes I always look bad.
I think you probably do need to save some of your tools more often and sacrifice mana efficiency sometimes. I don’t know if you want to straight up bluff that often. I think that you can use your mobility to effectively threaten multiple lanes at once, and move your heroes when your opponent commits to one. I think you still do want to deploy where you want your heroes to be but have the option to go elsewhere if you can’t punch through your first choice lane.
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Jonathan wrote:Huh. I don't think I've played the bots except the tutorial. I decided I doubted the bot would pilot a blue deck well, which was what I am most interested in scrimming against.
I do the non-gauntlet standard matchmaking a lot just to experiment with lists without having to commit to one for a whole gauntlet.

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-------------------------- Freeplay / Tournament --------------------------
Games Played: 41
Win rate: 68.293%
--- Top heroes played ---
31 - Phantom Assassin
26 - Drow Ranger
25 - Sorla Khan
24 - Necrophos
23 - Tinker
14 - Storm Spirit
13 - Bounty Hunter
10 - Treant Protector
9 - Legion Commander
6 - Enchantress
5 - Omniknight
5 - Sniper
4 - Lycan
3 - Mazzie
3 - Chen
2 - Rix
1 - Lion
1 - Dark Seer
--- Top heroes win rate ---
100.0% - Mazzie (games played: 3 )
100.0% - Chen (games played: 3 )
100.0% - Dark Seer (games played: 1 )
88.9% - Legion Commander (games played: 9 )
80.0% - Omniknight (games played: 5 )
80.0% - Sniper (games played: 5 )
75.0% - Lycan (games played: 4 )
73.1% - Drow Ranger (games played: 26 )
70.0% - Treant Protector (games played: 10 )
69.2% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 13 )
67.7% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 31 )
66.7% - Enchantress (games played: 6 )
64.3% - Storm Spirit (games played: 14 )
64.0% - Sorla Khan (games played: 25 )
62.5% - Necrophos (games played: 24 )
60.9% - Tinker (games played: 23 )
0.0% - Lion (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Rix (games played: 2 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Sorla Khan, Legion Commander, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Omniknight, Phantom Assassin, Lycan, Lion
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Omniknight, Sniper
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Omniknight, Sniper
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Drow Ranger, Storm Spirit
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Drow Ranger, Storm Spirit
win ---- Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Storm Spirit, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Enchantress
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Enchantress
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Enchantress
loss ---- Rix, Drow Ranger, Necrophos, Sorla Khan, Tinker
loss ---- Rix, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Drow Ranger, Sniper
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Drow Ranger, Sniper
win ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Legion Commander, Drow Ranger, Sniper
win ---- Mazzie, Treant Protector, Legion Commander, Enchantress, Chen
win ---- Mazzie, Treant Protector, Legion Commander, Enchantress, Chen
win ---- Lycan, Phantom Assassin, Dark Seer, Sorla Khan, Drow Ranger
win ---- Lycan, Phantom Assassin, Necrophos, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Lycan, Phantom Assassin, Necrophos, Drow Ranger, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Enchantress, Mazzie, Legion Commander, Treant Protector, Chen
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
-------------------------- Call To Arms --------------------------
Games Played: 12
Win rate: 75.000%
--- Top heroes played ---
12 - Lycan
12 - Dark Seer
8 - Treant Protector
8 - Drow Ranger
8 - Abaddon
4 - Bounty Hunter
4 - Rix
4 - Lich
--- Top heroes win rate ---
87.5% - Treant Protector (games played: 8 )
87.5% - Drow Ranger (games played: 8 )
87.5% - Abaddon (games played: 8 )
75.0% - Lycan (games played: 12 )
75.0% - Dark Seer (games played: 12 )
50.0% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Rix (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Lich (games played: 4 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
win ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
loss ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
win ---- Lycan, Treant Protector, Dark Seer, Drow Ranger, Abaddon
loss ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
win ---- Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Dark Seer, Rix, Lich
-------------------------- Standard Constructed --------------------------
Games Played: 16
Win rate: 37.500%
--- Top heroes played ---
13 - Sorla Khan
13 - Necrophos
13 - Tinker
10 - Phantom Assassin
8 - Treant Protector
8 - Drow Ranger
7 - Storm Spirit
2 - Bounty Hunter
2 - Omniknight
1 - Mazzie
1 - Legion Commander
1 - Enchantress
1 - Chen
--- Top heroes win rate ---
57.1% - Storm Spirit (games played: 7 )
46.2% - Sorla Khan (games played: 13 )
46.2% - Necrophos (games played: 13 )
46.2% - Tinker (games played: 13 )
37.5% - Treant Protector (games played: 8 )
30.0% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 10 )
25.0% - Drow Ranger (games played: 8 )
0.0% - Bounty Hunter (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Omniknight (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Mazzie (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Legion Commander (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Enchantress (games played: 1 )
0.0% - Chen (games played: 1 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Treant Protector, Sorla Khan, Storm Spirit, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
loss ---- Bounty Hunter, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Drow Ranger, Omniknight
loss ---- Mazzie, Treant Protector, Legion Commander, Enchantress, Chen
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
win ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
loss ---- Drow Ranger, Phantom Assassin, Sorla Khan, Necrophos, Tinker
-------------------------- Standard Phantom Draft --------------------------
Games Played: 6
Win rate: 33.333%
--- Top heroes played ---
4 - Phantom Assassin
4 - Treant Protector
4 - Prellex
4 - Debbi the Cunning
2 - Farvhan the Dreamer
2 - Crystal Maiden
2 - Lycan
2 - Bristleback
2 - Mazzie
2 - Beastmaster
2 - Chen
--- Top heroes win rate ---
50.0% - Farvhan the Dreamer (games played: 2 )
50.0% - Phantom Assassin (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Treant Protector (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Prellex (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Debbi the Cunning (games played: 4 )
50.0% - Crystal Maiden (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Lycan (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Bristleback (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Mazzie (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Beastmaster (games played: 2 )
0.0% - Chen (games played: 2 )
--- Condensed match history ---
loss ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Debbi the Cunning
win ---- Farvhan the Dreamer, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Debbi the Cunning
win ---- Debbi the Cunning, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Crystal Maiden
loss ---- Debbi the Cunning, Phantom Assassin, Treant Protector, Prellex, Crystal Maiden
loss ---- Lycan, Bristleback, Mazzie, Beastmaster, Chen
loss ---- Lycan, Bristleback, Mazzie, Beastmaster, Chen
Looks like the stats confirm what I was feeling: I have to play Storm Spirit in upkeep kill face lists. I think maybe I burn the ball lightning before I need it. The relentless doesn't get better than moving out of certain death turn 1, but it can be correct to hold onto a ball lightning until I have a heartstopper on so I can put the upkeep damage exactly where it needs to go.

Looks like LC is pretty good. I tried splashing LC but I'm sort of on the fence. Maybe I just need better red cards?
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJWwOq ... F0ZWdlcmll
Duel really gets to the heart of what I'm trying to do, as it provides early value and I can curve it out later, plus it denies enemy plays with initiative.

I put together two Lion lists, both of which suck. I really don't know if he can be playable.
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJe0IJ ... RyBtYW5hLQ__ : BG mana-
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJQAIZ ... kIgbWFuYS0_ : BR mana-
The one game I played (BG), I completely lacked proactive plays and didn't put up any kind of fight.
I wonder if Lion could be used as a way to ramp for BU, if you include Aganim’s Sanctum. He gets stronger the longer the game goes which could fit with Econ. He’s just so much weaker than Lich though and I don’t think you can replace either BH or PA. I think you might be able to make an argument for PA, since my experience has been with BU that there are too many cards that can be game losing discards for Coup. But on the other hand without PA Ganks become much weaker.
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On second thought I’m not sure what you could accomplish with the extra 2 mana. I think you’re right that Lion is still just not playable in constructed.
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I’m thinking I may need to swap BH for PA to improve my red matchup. And then add a few low cost cards to go over 40 cards and dilute the chance of drawing Coup too early
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Updated version to try.

43 cards to make up for the Lich and PA signatures. I probably need to reduce the cost of my item deck since I don't have Track anymore
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I think just swapping 1 Hourglass for a single 3-5 cost item will be fine. Honestly I'm not too sure I think Hourglass is the play since UG Storm is dead.

Why flop Ogre & Lich? Is Kanna that important to put left?

I think this could work. It's clearly midrange, not aggro, though.

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Jonathan wrote:I think just swapping 1 Hourglass for a single 3-5 cost item will be fine. Honestly I'm not too sure I think Hourglass is the play since UG Storm is dead.

Why flop Ogre & Lich? Is Kanna that important to put left?

I think this could work. It's clearly midrange, not aggro, though.
Yeah it’s definitely midrange, not aggro. I started out trying to create an aggro list but it kept shifting more midrange. I’ll probably take out both Hourglasses, maybe replace them with Signet Rings.

I like being able to choose where Kanna goes. Also, I think I usually want my blue flop hero to die on or before turn two in order to choose which lane to Annihilate.
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Went 4-2 in draft today. I could have won the last one for the perfect run, but I made several serious errors. Mostly plays I just didn't see until after I'd already played a card, but a couple of sequencing errors as well. Damn Keenfolk Turret.

I did get a free win from a guy who queued up with 3x Rix and instantly surrendered before playing any cards. I mean, sometimes you just know, you know?

Here's the new hotness. 1-0 so far. I think this is the first draft I actually won the first game and didn't have to play through the losers' bracket?
https://www.playartifact.com/d/ADCJX4AI ... VYGEJZENwE_
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Do you prefer Necrophos to Debbi?

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